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That sort of schoolyard groupthink annoyed me at school (where, believe it or not, I had a small coterie of hangers-on - for all of whom I had contempt.), in adults, it's just pathetic. TSSH, which was one of the first blogs I ever read, and which remains a favourite, has such a coterie who are, admittedly, a lot wittier than the run of the mill groupies you get on political sites. I couldn't be bothered trying to reason with them, but I felt like venting my opinion regarding some of the comments left on this thread. In particular, I wanted to address this comment:
I wish I had the ability to amortise my annual tax bill over five years.
"Hi you're from the ATO right?"
"...Well fuck off - I'm not gonna pay any tax for the next five years sucka..."
I also wish I could enjoy a cosy fuel subsidy.
And a machinery subsidy as a primary producer...which I know I should use to buy a new tractor, but I just gotta have me one of them new fucking Fairlanes for the farm.
And I wanna know the answer to just one question:
Why do we grow rice in this country?
It's bad enough that the cunting farmers sell all their best produce overseas and push the shit into the shops for us city folk at ridiculous prices, they use 75% of our DRINKING water to irrigate fucking rice paddies.
This ain't 'Nam.
This 'salt of the earth' shit is getting mighty tedious too.
Just because you get up at sparrows and pull on gumboots instead of Hush Puppies don't make me any less of a hard worker if I work in the Metropolis.
'Farmer' is Latin for 'whinger'.
Face it, most are Collins and Macquarie Street farmers anyway - so you can take your cheap rural lifestyle and retirement vineyard and soft goats cheese churning and jam it with supersonic force up your ass.
M.E.N.(former Murray Grey & Hereford breeder)
Which was submitted by a Major Elvis Newton. I don't know Major Newton, nor do I have any particular animus regarding him/her, it's just handy to have all the ignorant, misleading stereotypical bullshit wrapped up in one handy package. Let's start at the top shall we?
I wish I had the ability to amortise my annual tax bill over five years."Hi you're from the ATO right?""...Well fuck off - I'm not gonna pay any tax for the next five years sucka..."
You could do that, I suppose. Particularly if you were very stupid. I must admit to not being the most knowledgable person in the world when it comes to taxation law, but I know what amortise - or as the Americans and therefore, the interweb would have it; amortize- means.
Main Entry: amor·tizePronunciation: 'a-m&r-"tIz, &-'mor-Function: transitive verbInflected Forms: -tized; -tiz·ing: to reduce (an amount) gradually: as a : to pay off (as a loan) gradually usually by periodic payments of principal and interest or payments to a sinking fund b : to gradually reduce the cost of (as an asset) esp. for tax purposes by making periodic charges to income over a time span
Source: Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law, © 1996 Merriam-Webster, Inc
I'm not entirely certain that Elvis's plan fits in with this definition. He follows up this piece of stupidity with another one:
I also wish I could enjoy a cosy fuel subsidy.
Here we come to one of the great hypocrisies of the anti farming brigade. In one breath they will proselytise about how farmers are really socialists who want to live a subsidised life and be supported by everyone else, then in the next breath they will complain that farmers aren't subsidising them. The alleged subsidy is, in fact an exemption from a portion of the taxes which are payable on diesel fuel, provided that the fuel is only used on-farm (audits on fuel use are fairly common, so is creative book-keeping) - ULP is not affected. I was under the impression that it was a Queensland only thing, but I'm too lazy to research it. Be that as it may, in Budget after Budget, Policy Speech after Policy Speech and complaint after complaint by motoring organisations, we are reminded that these taxes are raised specifically for the construction and maintenance of transport infrastructure. If we're not using it, why should we pay for it? Britain has a similar scheme, but a much more elegant way of administering it; fuel for on road use is dyed one colour and off road fuel dyed another colour. Get pulled over with the wrong coloured fuel in your Scania and you're in deep do-do. Moving on...
And a machinery subsidy as a primary producer...which I know I should use to buy a new tractor, but I just gotta have me one of them new fucking Fairlanes for the farm.
I don't see how the Fairlane relates to the subsidy, nor was I aware of the subsidy. Farm machinery is eligible for a rebate in the form of GST input credits, as is Murdoch's printing press. Fairlanes aren't. For a farm motor vehicle to be eligible it must be diesel powered and of a commercial type (4WD ute, truck, etc.) However most urban business people seem to find a way to write off the leasing costs of their SAABs and BMWs. That's ok, though; they aren't farmers therefore they're clever, not crooked. I wonder how many dirty weekends on the Gold Coast find their way onto tax returns as 'seminars' and 'field trips'?
Now we get to a really good one:
And I wanna know the answer to just one question:
Why do we grow rice in this country?
It's bad enough that the cunting farmers sell all their best produce overseas and push the shit into the shops for us city folk at ridiculous prices, they use 75% of our DRINKING water to irrigate fucking rice paddies.
This ain't 'Nam.
This is stupid in so many ways; first the classic Green Left Weekly language of identifying a crop and asking why is it grown in this country as if the mere presence of agriculture is going to cause the end of life as we know it. The short, blindingly obvious reason that rice is grown in this country would be that the people growing rice believe that they can make money doing it. It isn't some dark plot by the Secret Planet Raping Overlords™ to destroy the environment - it's a business decision made in the interests of profit in much the same way every other business decision is made. They assessd the geology, geography, hydrology, climatology and regulatory environment and decided it could be a profitable venture. I would also ask how Major Newton arrived at his ridiculous water usage figure. Rice Growers don't use ANY of my drinking water, nor that of anybody else in Queensland, Northern NSW, eastern NSW(including Sidderny). They use very little water of anybody in Victoria and, unless they're growing rice on the Ord these days (research it yourself, lazypants) they don't use any West Australian water. Which leaves the people around- and downstream of- Deniliquin. The major population centre of this area is, of course, Adelaide.
Leaving aside the interesting development that somebody besides the cotton industry is getting the blame for Adelaide's woes, if the rice industry really is depriving Adelaide of 75% of it's drinking water, then more power to the rice industry. I think that it would be immensely satisfying to cause 75% of the morose cousin fuckers living in Adelaide to die a slow, agonising death. You could sell tickets for that. Adelaide is a shit hole with very few redeeming features. The Penfolds Winery in Magill and some of the roads in the hills are worth saving, apart from that it is already a wasteland filled with generic colonial architecture that croweaters rave about because they have nothing else to speak of.
Also, how DARE those filthy ricegrowers sell their produce to the highest bidder?!?!? That's..., that's..., capitalism!! Not that I can remember buying a kilo of rice and thinking "Shit, now I'll have to put the hotpants on and go and sell my arse a few times to pay for that."
It's rice. It isn't all that prohibitively priced. Moving on:
Just because you get up at sparrows and pull on gumboots instead of Hush Puppies don't make me any less of a hard worker if I work in the Metropolis.
Agreed. This annoys me, too. Most of the people who talk like this wouldn't work hard if they were test pilots in a brothel. The most tiring job I've had was when I was an insurance agent. You can't disagree with somebody over everything, despite what the political parties would have you believe. Anyway:
'Farmer' is Latin for 'whinger'.
Whatever. See my earlier comment re; regurgitated insults.
Face it, most are Collins and Macquarie Street farmers anyway - so you can take your cheap rural lifestyle and retirement vineyard and soft goats cheese churning and jam it with supersonic force up your ass.
Don't get too many of those around here. I imagine they'd be fairly annoying to have around.
M.E.N.(former Murray Grey & Hereford breeder)
Not sure of the relevance of his status as an ex- cattle breeder, except to say that graziers, out of all sectors of the agricultural industry are the most deseving of the title of whinger.
Oh, and the Murray Grey Breeders' Society had a seminar or something to celebrate the 100th anniversay of the breed this week.
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Speaking of golf, I saw some stats on golf courses on the Gold Coast. Of the 27 courses only 9 are international standard and all are running at 50% or less capacity.
Spell oversupply or waste of resources anyone?
Dirk, re rebates etc - should an industry be allowed to survive if it couldn't sustain itslef without a Govt rebate, especially if it's presence wasn't in the interests of greater good?
Dirk, re rebates etc - should an industry be allowed to survive if it couldn't sustain itslef without a Govt rebate, especially if it's presence wasn't in the interests of greater good?
Should an industry be forced to survive by paying for services it doesn't use?
Plus, name me a major industry that doesn't receive some sort of rebate.
I would also argue that having a healthy agricultural industry is in the interests of the greater good, in economic as well as health terms.
Due more to luck than good management Australia has the lowest rate of disease and infection among its produce than any other nation on earth.
Probably.
Dirk! There's where you've been hiding! You've been saving this little nugget up, haven't you?
Well, I'm not sure where I stand about farmers using up water... I think I'd be pretty godamn important for the farmers to irrigate thier fields... But that's just me. I kind of like food.
For golf courses, well... All I have to say is when I lived in Arizona (85% desert) in just the county I lived in they put in 12 new golf courses (full 18-hole)in the 9 years I lived there. Prtetty fucking ridiculous if you ask me.
Screw golf courses & keep growing the food I need to survive and the cotton I need for those who do th make clothes for me to wear.
But who am I to know...
Indeedy - however, infection isnt an issue if we have not an industry to infect.
If some poor bugger can grow something on the other side of the world, have it sent all the way over here and still sell it for less than it costs us to produce then I say good luck to em.
Unless they're operating under subsidies too, in which case they can get fucked too.
I doubt every nation will ever drop tariffs and subsidies all at once though - in which case yes, healthy industry is good.
Hmm.
Fucken golf courses.
Screw golf courses & keep growing the food I need to survive and the cotton I need for those who do th make clothes for me to wear.
Music to my ears.
Unless you are implying that all agriculture in Australia should cease, we will have an industry of one sort or another, how are you going to tell the bacteria/pest du jour that it is infesting the wrong organism?
Nor should you be unaware of the chances of infection reaching humans. Look at the kerfuffle over bird flu, for instance, or the drama this week over Foot and Mouth Disease being found in beef sourced from an area in Brazil that had been declared FMD free.
If some poor bugger can grow something on the other side of the world, have it sent all the way over here and still sell it for less than it costs us to produce then I say good luck to em.
So do I. As far as beef is concerned, Brazil is the only serious contender for local product in the domestic market, I'm not sure I'd risk it, though. I don't know of any serious competition for wheat and as I've said many times before, we are the most efficient major cotton producing nation on the planet. (Israel is more efficient in terms of land and water use, but as their entire industry would fit into this district alone I don't count them. Also, their methods are a lot more labvour intensive, therefore more expensive.)
Contrary to what you may believe, Australia has one of the least subsidised agricultural sectors in the developed world and the industries we excel in are not ones that have competitors from developing nations in them as a rule. Apart from extreme circumstances drought relief there are no subsidies exclusively for agriculture (the fuel excise rebate is available to all industries for off road use -mining, etc.) I will grant that there is room to weed out some poor business people and inefficient operators in marginal areas, but to blandly prattle on about 'subsidised farming' is a bit disingenuous at the least.
Actually, why not have a go at all industry, how many tax breaks does it take to get a smelter/refinery erected. How many tax breaks do they want before they'll spens some money on R&D or exploration?
Caz,
having that kid has really knocked your appearance around, hasn't it? I mean that in the nicest possible way. Not sure what you mean by the italics tag, unless you think that I got a bit excited with them. Nothing's italicised on my 'pooter that isn't supposed to be.
Oh, yeah - "I know you are, but what am I?"
Not sure what to say Caz,
I just checked the HTML of the post and the 'em' tag was closed. I changed it to an 'i' tag anyway, maybe there's ghosts in your machine?
The Diesel Fuel Rebate is a rebate of that component of excise which is earmarked for (haha) spending on roads.
Naturally off road users were never required to pay this. However under Hawke this was changed to "pay it in full, fill in some forms & months later it will be rebated"
Tank sinkers, scrub pullers etc. for some reason used never be eligible for it, thus they often quoted jobs by the hour/acre/cubic yard "plus diesel".
I have never understood the brain which believes: Abscence of tax = subsidy. (Note: Nobody is putting hands into pockets & GIVING actual cash to a cocky)
This same brain seems unable to comprehend that there is no sensible reason for a NON road user to pay a road user tax. (Do brickworks, big diesel users, pay this excise? I don't know, they shouldn't)
Mr. "Major" Elvis Newton can put THIS in his pipe & smoke it:
Paying the diesel fuel excise, then months later being rebated, is the non-road user subsidising the road user.
no, it's the same on my computer as well.
Steve,
most contracting is still done on a 'plus dieses' basis, with most farms applying an 'arrive full and leave full' policy. I think this is for two reasons; it is logistically more straightforward and the contractors equipment is road registeres or has permits for use betweem farms.
Fred,
don't know how to fix a problem that isn't appearing on my 'pooter. What browser/OS etc. are you using?
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